In what ways can McGill University surpass the reputation of University Of Toronto

In what ways can McGill University surpass the reputation of University Of Toronto

If you mean reputation in the most general sense I don’t know that it has to.It is still probably the most recognized name internationally and has a particularly strong reputation in the US.Most people don’t look at world rankings much.

However if you are considering world rankings, then the two I saw (that were most favourable to both schools) had U of T at 20 and McGill at 39 Page on timeshighereducation.com and another McGill at 24, U of T at 34 overall, but 12 and 34 in favour of U of T in Life Sciences | Top Universities .I think you are missing some key things if you focus on this though: They are probably both in the 20’s or 30’s maybe 40’s they are very good but not ‘the best’.You should be thinking globally.

Your choice is now between two very good schools.Does it really matter if one is 20-something or 30-something ?Some of the world rankings are based upon a lot of things that don’t matter to an undergrad, including how rich the University is and how many citations they get.They almost cover too much to be useful.Your department often matters more than your school.

If you go somewhere and have two awful Biology Profs that might be a lot more damaging than going to a ‘lesser’ school.In my discipline of engineering for instance: very few people would argue that the University of Waterloo isn’t among the top 3 or 5 (some rate it the best) engineering schools in Canada, yet on an overall global list it sometimes doesn’t crack the top 300.It would still be a good place to study engineering.Personally I went to McGill and liked it.

I prefer Montreal to Toronto as a city.McGill has a campus feel to it, U of T seems to have more of a commuter feel to it.

I really think you are asking the wrong question.University prestige is mostly useless at an undergraduate.Sure, it may help you if you are a tenured professor pushing out academic papers; or if you are in pure research where academic credentials matter.

In the real world, none of this BS actually matters; therefore, the only question you should be asking is, which university can help me to get a good job at the lowest cost (both in terms of tuition and also time).To find that out, do some actual research and go on linkedin and ask the recent alumnis that graduated from both schools.Pick up the phone and cold call them and ask them out for coffee, and ask them questions like “how easy was it for you to find a job post graduation?

What type of job are you working in now?How much support did the school give you when it came to job hunting?And if you had to do it all over again, would you go back to your alma mater for your education?”

Asking those type of questions I feel is a lot more relevant than asking “how prestigious is your school?”Nobody gives a rats ass where you came from, never mind how “prestigious” your past alumnis were (the reasons behind why these schools are prestigious often has to do with alumnis who are now dead).The only addition I have to add to this is that McGill is facing serious political and budgeting problems.

McGill used to be the crown jewel of education in Canada, as Montreal used to be the crown jewel city in Canada.What Montreal is today was what the city was 40 years ago; and since then, nothing has really changed, the city has gone nowhere and has seen nothing but political incompetency and financial scandals.McGill is no different; caught as an English school in a highly discriminatory French government system, the school never gets enough funding to do anything.

Coupled with poor management and quite frankly, mismanagement, the reputation of the school has continued to sink year after year.Nowadays, most locals are dying to get out of the province, whereas the schools are forced by government to relax admission standards for locals to hopefully “retain” more local Quebecois.As a result, you will see that a lot of total dumbfuck Quebecois are admitted into the system, McGill included, that completely ruins the integrity of the education system.

Not to say that there arn’t smart Quebecois (I’ve met many highly intelligent people who are now doing very big things in the world); however, when you in general, relax admission standards to pander to a specific audience, things will almost inevitably go south (especially when you’re also forced to admit the students who wants to reduce $400 a year tuition even lower, and then throw teargas into the subway system when the government refuses to make education free.For that matter, I would rather I can’t pay for good education, then have free dogshit education that is a total waste of everyone’s time).In summary, stop asking irrelevant questions like how prestigious a school is; a school’s prestige is often useless for you.

Ask the question of “whether I will be able to get the dream job I want by going to this school”.

McGill was 12th in the world when I started attending in the early 2000’s.Now it is a bit down and Toronto is up.I am quite sure that, in your lifetime, McGill will be first again and vice versa.

Both are great universities.Also note that McGill has produced more Rhodes scholars than any other Canadian university, and by far.I believe it ranks 4th in North America (for the number of Rhodes Scholars it produced) just behind Yale, Princeton and Harvard.

It has also produced more Nobel laureates than any other Canadian university and has a longer history of being Canada’s best university, even today depending on which ranking you look at.So, don’t choose because of the rankings as they will change.In the life sciences, I have always been under the impression that their Med school is the best.

As someone else also pointed out, people ‘in the know’ in academia most often recommend McGill as well.

Pick somewhere else.You are missing out as an undergraduate if you attend either McGill or the U of T (or any large graduate focused university in Canada).Make your life more interesting.

Look for a professor at a smaller, regional undergraduate focused university and shine.You’ll easily go onto grad school at either McGill or the U of T. Montreal is a more enjoyable city, but you will get far more exposure to full professors at a place like St Francis X, the University of Lethbridge or UNBC.My sister and brother, both bio majors went on to Plant Science MSC at the U of A on a full scholarship and the prestigious DVM program at University of Saskatchewan then the University of Guelph Veternary PhD program respectively.

I went to U of T (eng lit, linguistics), my daughter to McGill (psych).She had a much better experience, with a world class education, along with making life long friendships with classmates from all over the world.Plus she spent her university years living in a city that knows how to have a really good time!

McGill’s campus experience is better than U of T, students make real connections, and the level of research being done at McGill is at least equal to U of T. You only (usually!)do an undergrad degree once-make it count for both quality of education and experience.My only regret for sending my kid to McGill?

Both universities are fairly comperable and neither is in the top 10, so the rankings don’t really matter.Let’s face it, no one is going to hire you because you went to the 50th top university in the world, if it’s not the top 10 no one cares.If they do care it’s because they went to the same university.

University rankings are generally nothing more than marketing fodder and (besides the regular top 10 like Harvard, Oxford, etc) will always change based on who’s publishing the rankings.The issues that are more important are who your professors will be (because their expertise will decide what your expertise will be and you want to build a good mentor relationship with a leader in your topic of interest) and where their alumni network is (the alumni network will play a part in where you end up working because see above about no one caring about a top 50 university).The other important factor to consider is also that the cost of living in Montreal is about half to two thirds that of Toronto, so your student quality of life will generally be that much better.

In the USA, Harvard is called the McGill of the USA…………. Why would you think that U.T.is that much better than McGill?????It is like comparing Harvard and Yale.You attend the one that is the best fit for You.

You seem to believe that McGill is the best fit for you, then it is settled, it is McGill.

World Rankings are ephemeral.They change every years and are a bit arbitrary.It also depends on which survey you use.

McGill is regularly the top Canadian university in QS global rankings.Don’t pick your school based on rankings, sports, reputation or other peripheral items.Base it on the school that will give you the best overall experience.

As an undergrad, you shouldn’t even pick a school based on your major.Most undergrads change their major at some point.Except for a few select fields, your undergrad major has little to do with your future career.

You probably need grad school anyway for most professions.McGill has an excellent life sciences program, because it has one of the best medical programs in the world.UT has also has a great program.

You really cannot go wrong in your choice, because if you can get into either, you are guaranteed a world class education.You will have a great night life in either city.You will make great friends at either school.

Both schools have cold winters.The only real determining factor is whether you get accepted or not.Just pick the school you like and go there.

Picking a school based on ephemeral rankings is like picking your spouse based on whether he/she is the hottest.

As an academic person inside the system, I say, McGill is the best for you.There are several advantages for Montreal and McGill compared with Toronto and UBC, in addition to what you stated.

The best way you can reconcile this internal conflict would be to overcome your fixation on rankings.I selected U of T for my undergraduate degree for exactly this reason – U of T’s Engineering Science required the highest marks of any engineering program to get into, ergo it was the most selective, ergo it was the best.Or so my flawed logic led me to believe.

While I no longer regret the decision that I made (I am happy with where life has taken me), I highly doubt that I would make the decision to attend U of T again.There are simply too many variables, each of which weighted differently depending on the individual, to trust any ranking system of post-secondary institutions.Presumably, if you are interested in Life Sciences, then you are strongly considering a Masters/PhD program or medical school after graduation?

Many would argue that U of T focuses too much on its graduate students, rather than its undergraduate population.As an alum, I am inclined to agree with them.Thus, you might be better served attending an institution with more of a focus on its undergraduate program, and choosing U of T for grad/med school.

Both school are excellent.Anyone doing an evaluation must be using some set of criteria to form a total score.The particular choices that they made in these criteria canot be the correct choices for everyone.

Make up your own list of selection criteria and score them yourself on your scale.Your choices can include climate, beauty, ease of access via train, cultural diversity, whatever aspects are important to you.Then total up the two scores.

Rankings do not matter whatsoever, except for possibly graduate school or prestige oriented fields like Law.People can repeat it over and over again but again you don’t have to listen.

http://montrealgazette.com/news/local-news/mcgill-top-canadian-university-according-to-new-international-rankings

Both offer a mediocre undergraduate education.Both schools, however, have relatively tough grading.